For a long time, we have been debating invisible churchers with their nebulous, universal, mystical, invisible, interdenominational body/church views. We listen carefully to their arguments (although they never think that we do), for they are NOT all totally wrong about everything.

Still, years ago, I wrote for the "Baptist Examiner," a Calvinist, Brider, Landmarker periodical, where I observed and discovered a similar but opposite and parallel view to the invisible churcher view. IN ESSENCE, these Briders and Landmarkers believed in a nebulous, universal, mystical, invisible Baptist body/church and believed that only Baptists would be in this church in heaven, which necessitates that this heavenly church must be composed of Baptists from different churches from different time periods and/or consisting of parts of Baptist churches.  

Now, these brethren did qualify their views by saying that they sometimes refer to a generic and institutional church/body as do the scriptures. I have no problem with that if they would apply such generic terms properly, as opposed to using them improperly on a "specific" Baptist church.

Nevertheless, you cannot water baptize anyone into a generic or institutional church or a metaphorical church. There is no such physical entity as "THE" Baptist church or even "THE" church (as some staunch Baptists would say). Also, there is no such physical entity such as THE husband or THE wife any more than THE invisible, universal husband or wife.

It would be difficult to visibly discern any difference between the Landmarker/Brider baptismal practice and what we believe to be the correct practice of baptism as also would be the case with the Assembly of God and Church of Christ water baptisms. However, there is a great difference in concept between what we perceive a water baptism to be that ends up uniting the converts with the local church membership.

At first, it seems like we are arguing semantics and that we are splitting hairs with technicalities, but when someone states that converts are baptized INTO Baptist churches or THE Baptist Church, there is a radical concept in that one's mind, or else it is a mere slip of the tongue terminology. Now, those that believe in being baptized INTO a Baptist church are hard put to provide us with any scriptural examples. Yet when we provide them specific scriptural examples of those who were not baptized into any body, they pull the old "special" case or "transition period" arguments.

The so called Special and Transitional Cases

1. The apostles' baptisms by John the Baptist

2. Jesus' baptism by John the Baptist

3. Peter's converts' baptisms  Acts 2:38-41

4. Philip's converts' baptisms  Acts 8:12

5. Simon's baptism  Acts 8:13

6. The eunuch's baptism  Acts 8:38

7. Paul's baptism  Acts 9:18;22:16

8. Italians band's baptisms  Acts 10:47, 48

9. Lydia's baptism Acts 16:15

10. Jailer and household's baptisms  Acts 16:33

11. Crispus and Corinthians' baptisms  Acts 18:8; 1 Cor.1:4

12. House of Stephanus' baptisms  1 Cor. 1:6

13. John the Baptist's converts and/or disciples' converts' baptisms Acts 19:3

14. Disciples of John the Baptist and/or disciples' baptisms by Paul Acts 19:5

None of these were baptized into any body, unless our friends want to argue from silence. Where are the non-special and non-transitional cases of the Baptistantiation advocates? Not even one of our examples were baptized INTO a local body. The closest they can come to that is that folks were added UNTO the church early in Acts 2:41.

Of course to call any later baptism than that a special case or transitional baptism would be to eliminate their use of Acts 2:41 to prove their case. This is the same proof text that the invisible churchers use to get saved folks INTO the mystical body, which some begin at the cross and other later.

Nevertheless, being added UNTO the church the same day is a far cry from being baptized INTO "A" or "the"BODY the same day. Nothing in Acts 2:41 demands the simultaneity of baptism and membership that Baptistaniators try to force there.

Southern Baptist McMullen's View

 ". . . and he said, INTO [eis] what then were you baptized?' And they said, INTO [eis] John's baptism. --John 19:3 (Modern Translation)"

 "At this point I must admit to a personal predisposition. I believe every word of scripture is very important. Therefore, I believe much can be drawn out of the phrase Paul asked, " . . . INTO what then were you baptized?" We can deduct from these words that a person is baptized INTO something when he/she is baptized. This is in addition to the picture symbolized in immersion where we are baptized INTO Christ's death, burial, and resurrection." -- James McMullen

Above, you will find the comments of a Southern Baptist pastor, who believes that converts are water baptized INTO local churches. These comments reflect the faulty thinking of a number of Local Church Only brethren, who rightly repudiate the invisible, mystical, universal body/church of all believers and the invisible, mystical, baptism that makes them members in an invisible body.

Such Local Church Only thinking parallels the universal church brethren in that they believe, IN ESSENCE, that water baptism by an automatic, invisible, and mystical PROCESS  puts converts into a local body of believers by an  nebulous and ethereal process, which I call BAPTISTANTIATION (similar to Catholic TRANSUBSTANTIATION).

Southern Baptist McMullen Refuted

And he said unto them, Unto [eis] what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto [eis] John's baptism. --Acts 19:3 (KJB)

Now, aside from McMullen quoting from another modern version beside the KJB, McMullen has the same problem that some local church onlies have in regard to baptizing someone  INTO  THE  local body/church. 

The underlying Greek word is "eis" in Acts 19:3 (and 1 Cor. 12:13 as well), so does that justify changing the KJB word "INTO" in 1 Cor. 12:13 to "UNTO" in the KJB's "baptized INTO one body@ as McMullen changes Acts 19:3? No, but it does illustrate a truth as to how that these English prepositions can be used synonymously as the KJB some times uses them.

Note: See G. A. Riplinger= s book In Awe of thy Word p. 243 to 258 on this and also our ending ADDENDUMS. Preposition synonymity is covered in older Herb Evans articles.

The point to be made here is that these converts of John or his disciples were not baptized into ANY body at all, when they were baptized, either mystical, ethereal, generic, local, metaphorical, or otherwise. There is no record of anyone in the Gospels or the Book of Acts being baptized INTO a church body of any kind. And there is no record of Paul being baptized INTO any body.

Paul asked them A UNTO what were ye baptized@   and they said that they were baptized A UNTO John's baptism@ in the KJB. McMullen and his modern version are consistent in that they use "INTO" here in the same way in both places of Acts 19:3, but how could the disciples of John be baptized INTO John's baptism?  More attention to these verses causes us to question which body Paul finally baptized them INTO?

Moreover, we are curious as to which body Paul was baptized INTO by Free Lancer Ananias, when no local church was present or aware of Paul's water baptism (especially, if we are to take what Paul said in 1 Cor. 12:13 to mean  being baptized automatically INTO the local church membership, for Paul said ". . . are WE ALL baptized INTO one body" there.)

Now, we believe 1 Cor. 12:13 is, indeed, talking about water baptism and a local church body in the language of a metaphor that is consistent throughout the chapter, i.e., toes, ears, hands, and etc. Nevertheless, if 1 Cor, 12:13 is supposed to prove that converts are automatically being water baptized INTO the church membership here, INTO a local body membership, are they also automatically baptized INTO Jesus Christ (Rom. 6:3) and INTO Christ (Gal. 3:27). Please explain?

Are they also automatically baptized, as McMullen says, INTO Christ's death, burial, and resurrection? How? Now, are we looking at a mystical baptismal PROCESS, or are we looking at an identification and explanation of baptism in metaphor? Surely, these members do not become actual toes, hand, eyes, noses, and ears of the "BODY" in 1 Cor. 12!  Is it possible that both the invisible churcher brethren and the Local church only brethren and some Landmark brethren have all stretched this metaphor too far? -- Herb Evans

What Is the Proper View of Entering
the Church Membership?

And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were RECEIVED OF THE CHURCH, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. -- Acts 15:4

 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to RECEIVE HIM: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace: -- Acts 18:27

Him that is weak in the faith RECEIVE YE, but not to doubtful disputations. -- Rom. 14:1

. . .when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren RECEIVED us gladly. -- Acts 21:7

That ye RECEIVE her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.  -- Rom. 16:2

And his inward affection is more abundant toward you, whilst he remembereth the obedience of you all, how with fear and trembling ye RECEIVED him [Titus]. -- 2 Cor. 7:15

Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister's son to Barnabas, (touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, RECEIVE HIM . . . -- Col. 4:10

We therefore ought to RECEIVE such, that we might be fellowhelpers to the truth. -- 3 John 1:8 [see also 1:9,10]

Whether formerly or informerly, the churches of the N.T. have RECEIVED other Christians in various capacities as missionaries, as members, as baptismal candidates, as pastors. Moreover, the only way that a person can become a legitimate member of a local Baptist church is to be RECEIVED by such.

Christians can be RECEIVED by a local Baptist church into their membership UPON their water baptism or UPON their letter or UPON their statement of faith/baptism and/or membership from a former Baptist church and even by reinstatement. Nevertheless, they still must be RECEIVED. Need we mention that Paul was NOT RECEIVED and was refused membership, when he assayed to join up with the Jerusalem Baptist church,  after he was baptized in Damascus by Ananias (Acts 8:26)?

The not so accurate cliche' that insists that converts are automatically baptized into "THE" local Baptist church, leaves something to be desired.  There is no such thing as "THE" Baptist church. Also, no one gets the membership of "A" local Baptist church without being RECEIVED by that church. They are RECEIVED into a Baptist church membership in the way that they receive members (often publicly stated that way); nothing is automatic.

They are RECEIVED just like the apostles were received by the first New Testament church and its pastor, the Lord Jesus Christ. When were the apostles ever water baptized into Jesus' local church? Was it their baptism that put them INTO Jesus' church? Or were they RECEIVED into the Lord's local church by Him? Yes, that one, the church that took the Lord's supper. There is nothing different that takes place on the mission field today. The first converts are not baptized into any body, unless it is a Landmark missionary who baptizes them into his home church 5,000 miles away. Some LOCAL church!

When someone says that converts are baptized INTO "THE" body of Christ, what do they mean? A mystical, invisible, universal, Baptist church? Or do they mean "A" body of Christ?  If a convert is initially put INTO  "A" local Baptist church by baptism, how does one get INTO his second church. Does he still belong to the same church that he was initially baptized "INTO?" How does he get out of it? Now, to say they are automatically letter-ed INTO another Baptist church, or automatically statement-ed INTO another Baptist church would be consistent with being automatically baptized INTO it, but arguably such an idea and terminology would be woefully lacking.

The Use of Letters

As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I RECEIVED LETTERS unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished. -- Acts 22:5

And they said unto him, We neither RECEIVED LETTERS out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee. -- Acts 28:21

And when I come, whomsoever ye shall APPROVE BY YOUR LETTERS, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem. -- 1 Cor. 16:3

Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or LETTERS OF COMMENDATION from you? -- 2 Cor. 3:1

And they wrote LETTERS by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia . . . it seemed good unto us, being ASSEMBLED with one accord, to send chosen men unto you . . -- Acts 15:23

 And they said unto him, We neither received LETTERS out of Judaea concerning thee, neither any of the brethren that came shewed or spake any harm of thee. -- Acts 28:21

 Now, this is but a side note to the above to remind the brethren of the use of letters of approval and recommendation for various reasons by the apostles and church, so that other Christians could be RECEIVED for one thing or another by some means of identification and verification. We understand that some do not believe in such vehicles and would object to such usage. Nevertheless, the practice continues for verification purposes but has been largely replaced,  for the most part, by the telephone. 

Conclusion

We have no real quarrel with brethren, who believe in BAPTISTANTIATION. We do think their terminology is unfortunate and lends itself as ammunition for the very people that they are trying to correct and convert from their invisible, universal church views. It has nothing to do with Bible correcting or heresy or a test of fellowship or anything like that. It is merely a challenge to faulty interpretation, which is often the result of tradition. Personally, I am unimpressed with tradition that has no support in the scriptures.

Now, after all that being said, may I say that since baptism is a FIGURE of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and not a PHYSICAL or MYSTICAL REALITY, then baptism into a His body is also a FIGURE but not a PHYSICAL or MYSTCAL REALITY. Now, it is important here not to confuse the spiritual with the mystical, whether you are an invisible, interdenominational churcher or an invisible, Baptist churcher. We are IN CHRIST spiritually but not in Christ mystically or physically. We are in the physical local church—PHYSICALLY by reception by the local church in the way that they receive members. Still you must RECEIVE members, and that is not automatic. -- Herb Evans, November 11, 2005

ADDENDUM 1

INTO

The word "Into" in the OED has some 23 different meanings. The English scriptures use A INTO@ in a number of similar ways as their underlying Greek word "eis." Although, the primary meaning of our English A INTO@ is entry into an interior, another meaning is to make contact with or against, for instance, he ran INTO a wall. In some instances the word A into@ and A unto@ are used figuratively, synonymously and stylistically.

With such flexibility of usage, it would not be wise to base one= s doctrine on a private interpretation of A INTO@ as a basis for doctrine, especially if it can only be used to support said doctrine in one place. The Campbellites make this mistake with the word A for,@ in Acts 2:38, which also has the underlying Greek word A eis.@ To arbitrarily insist that INTO always means inside something is also a stretch (see examples), especially when INTO is used figuratively or with metaphors. Most interesting are the OED renderings 12, 13, 14, 16, and 17.

12. Unto, even unto, even to (a place or point); to the very.+ Obs.

c1205 Lay. 4298 Belin Šef his leue broþer anne dal of his londe+to halden norð in to þare sæ. Ibid. 14099 Heo hatieð þe swiðe in to þan bare dæðe. 13+ K. Alis. 777 Bulsifal neied so loude, That hit schrillith into the cloude. 1525 Ld. Berners Froiss. II. cxxxvii. [cxxxiii.] 382 In the chapell he was vnarmed of all his peces into his doublet. a1548 Hall Chron., Hen. VIII 63 [They] came wel appareled to Westmynster, and sodeynly stryped them into their shertes.

13. Towards, in the direction of. Obs. (Cf. 10.)

c1290 S. Eng. Leg. I. 345/11 Abouten eiŠte hondret mile Engelond long is Fram þe South into þe North. a1300 Cursor M. 3384 (Gött.) Þai held+Þe landes þat lay in to þe est. c1430 Lydg. Min. Poems (Percy Soc.) 61 Youre hertis ye lyft up into the est, And al your body and knees bowe a-downe. 1568 Grafton Chron. I. 56 The first of these foure wayes was named Fosse, the which stretcheth out of the South, into the North. 1652 Needham tr. Selden's Mare Cl. 38 A streight line drawn+from the North-East into the South.

14. Unto, until, on to, up to (a time or date) c1380 Sir Ferumb.

1420 Fro þat day in to þys myn herte haþ he yraft. c1380 Wyclif Last Age Chirche p. xxvi, Fro þe by-gynnynge of ebrew lettris in to Crist+weren two and twenty hundriddis of yeeris. c1449 Pecock Repr. 86 Into tyme that thei schulden falle into fiŠting. c1450 tr. De Imitatione iii. xx. 86 Fro þe houre of my birþe into the daie of my goynge oute of þis worlde. 1534 More on Passion Wks. 1314/1 Hee loued theym in to the ende.

c1400 Mandeville (1839) xviii. 191 He hath also in to a xiiij mil Olifauntz or mo. 1441 Plumpton Corr. (Camden) p. lvi, Sir William Plompton with other officers came to Burghbrig+& with him into xxiiij persons.

16. Unto, to (a thing or person). Obs.

1382 Wyclif Ps. cxxxiii[i]. 2 Heueth vp Šoure hondis in to holi thingis. c1440 Jacob's Well (E.E.T.S.) 2 `oure soule, in þis pytt of corrupte watyr, nedyth to cry in-to god. c1449 Pecock Repr. 181 Sche dide a good werk into him. Ibid. ii. xx. 267 If+the freend come into him personali. 1609 Bible (Douay) Jer. xliii. 11 He shal strike the Land of Ægypt: those that into death, into death+and those that into the sword, into the sword. 1611 Shakes. Cymb. i. vi. 167 That he enchants Societies into him.

17. Unto (a purpose or result); in order to, with a view to. Obs.

1382 Wyclif Matt. xxvi. 28 My blood+whiche shal be shed out for many in to remissioun of synnys. c1400 Apol. Loll. 4 He+leuiþ to wirke, & doþ contrarily directly, & in to þe harme of his maistir. c1449 Pecock Repr. ii. vii. 181 Sche did it into the mynde of him and+into the biriyng of him. 1502 Bury Wills (Camden) 95 Into witnesse herof+I haue put my seale.

The underlying Greek word "eis" for the words A into@ and A unto,@ is translated into, unto, to, against, and sometimes, the idea is A concerning or A in reference to@ in the KJB Bible.@ Strong= s lists the underlying word A eis@ for "into" and "unto" as follows:

eis, ice; a primary prep.; to or into (indicating the point reached or entered), of place, time, or (fig.) purpose (result, etc.); also in adv. phrases:--[abundant-] ly, against, among, as, at, [back-] ward, before, by, concerning, + continual, + far more exceeding, for [intent, purpose], fore + forth, in (among, at , unto, so much that, -to), to the intent that, + one mind, + never, of, (up-) on, + perish, + set at one again, (so) that, therefore (-unto), throughout, till, to (be, the end, -ward), (here-) until (-to), . . . ward, [where-] fore, with. Often used in composition with the same general import, but only with verbs etc. (expressing motion lit or fig).

INTO as Used in the Scriptures

Many of the following KJB readings are synonymously stylistic, where either the word into@ or A unto@ might have been chosen by the translators. Obviously, in the KJB, many of them do NOT actually mean the entrance INTO the interior of something.

When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again INTO a mountain himself alone. B John 6:15

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give INTO your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. -- Luke 6:38

The sun shall be turned INTO darkness, and the moon INTO blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: -- Acts 2:20

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized INTO Jesus Christ were baptized INTO his death? B - Rom. 6:3

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up INTO HIM in all things, which is the head, even Christ: -- Eph 4:15

For as many of you as have been baptized INTO Christ have put on Christ. B - Gal. 3:27

For by one Spirit are we all baptized INTO one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink INTO one Spirit. B 1 Cor.12:13

ADDENDUM 2

UNTO

And he said unto them, UNTO what then were you baptized? And they said, UNTO John= s baptism. B Acts 19:3

According to the twenty volume Unabridged Oxford English Dictionary, the word > unto= has 29 different meanings.

"Un-holy NIV, TNIV, HCSB, NKJV, or so-called easy reading KJV-ER bibles have no > unto= s= at all, just > to= s= with no clues about what > to= means to a Christian C no notion of just how very close Christ wants us to cleave. They have no mortar to hold Christian meaning. The connection with the defining > under= > upon,= > on,= > one,= and > INTO= is gone." -- Riplinger, ibid, p.251

The KJB Uses of A UNTO@ in the sense of A INTO@

Many of these KJB readings are synonymously stylistic in cases where either word A into@ or A unto@ could have been chosen by the translators. B Herb Evans

Matt 9:6 Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Mark 15:46 And he . . . wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.

Luke 2:4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem . . .

Luke 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.

Luke 24:12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves . . .

John 5:24 He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 11:54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim . . .

John 19:27 . . . from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

John 20:10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.

Acts 1:8 and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 11:11 . . . there were three men already come unto the house where I was . . .

Rom 10:18 . . . their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

1Co 11:34 . . . let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation.

Gal 1:17 I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition . . .

James 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth . . .

Rev 9:1 I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth . . .

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth . . .

Addendums also by Herb Evans